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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.10.23 03:41:00 -
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Ya this is just what we need lets make Battle Ships even more useless and unwanted out side of pve.
Edit: On the bright side I do look forward to new ships. |
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:17:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Rip Minner wrote:Ya this is just what we need lets make Battle Ships even more useless and unwanted out side of pve. These ships from the EVEkill Top 20 think you are talking crazy. 3 Abaddon 52906 4 Armageddon 25130 5 Maelstrom 24284 6 Tempest 22567 But hey I am sure the 175kEHP Abbadon is very scared of a Ship with 25% the Tank that it can hit. Really if anyone should be scared of these things it should be. 1 Drake 141384 2 Hurricane 85968 These guys which can get hit by those weapons and can not out run the New Battlecruiser.
This numbers realy show nothing.
1.) Did they get poped in the attempt to do PVE? i.e. In a wormhole/in a sactum/in a Incursion/when rating?
2.) Did they get poped in a pvp engagment before they fig out sniping BS's get scan locked and pind down before they can go to warp again?
so on and so on.
Secondly I would realy like to know how you know the new BC's are only going to have 25% of the tank and cant out run a BS? |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.10.25 04:10:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Rip Minner wrote:
This numbers realy show nothing.
1.) Did they get poped in the attempt to do PVE? i.e. In a wormhole/in a sactum/in a Incursion/when rating?
2.) Did they get poped in a pvp engagment before they fig out sniping BS's get scan locked and pind down before they can go to warp again?
so on and so on.
Sorry I figured any EVE Player who would have a comment on this would understand that the reason they are in the top six is because those 4 Battleships are the most well known Fleet Battlships in the game. I should have been more clear. The Abbadon, Maelstrom, Armageddon and Tempest are the fleet standard for PvP and are used heavily in large scale Warfare. which incidently is where they get such a high kill record compared to well everything else in the game below them. Rip Minner wrote:
Secondly I would realy like to know how you know the new BC's are only going to have 25% of the tank and cant out run a BS?
I do not for sure but your Avg Battlecruiser has 35-50k EHP. I do not see why these would be any different. I never said they could outrun a Battleship, sure I have no doubt they could run. If only running = winning. They have less tank and since most Battlecruisers currently have 6 Guns and smaller Drone bays it is a good bet that they will do less DPS if they can even fit the largest guns like those Battleships can. I am willing to bet that the Abbadon, Maelstrom and Co are not going anywhere soon.
Then I figured any EVE Player who would have a comment on this would understand that the reason they are in the top six is becouse those 4 Battleships fit 1400 Arty and Tach Beams but will probly end up costing twice as much as the new Tier 3 BC with 1400 Arty and Tach Beams there for replacing thoughs BS at there last good role in pvp.
Then go back and read my first post again?
I should have been more clear. The Abbadon, Maelstrom, Armageddon and Tempest will be replaced as the fleet standard in PVP when you can field 2 times as many Teir 3 BC with the same amount of isk and when your geting Alphed by the other side too the size of your EHP being 25% less realy do's not matter becouse when your geting Alphed is insta pop time for any sub cap ship. |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:23:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Because I don't get chewed to death by frigates I can't hit, and have no defences against?
With a couple of launchers and some drones on a Pest, you can take out Frigs. the Nado won't.
Well this is true but you should have other fleet with you no one ship should kill them all. I.E. look at the hammer comeing down on Caps just now.
I can see this ships doing well with right fleet make up. They mite do better in small gang warfar though and then again they mite just do well every were.
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Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.10.26 04:42:00 -
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Gods Coldblood wrote:I dunno about you guys but faction battlecruisers sounds pretty sweet to me, if only..
This is what I was thinking myself too. Why always jump to well lets just give Battle Ship Weapons to smaller faster ships when you can add in Faction Battlecruisers. |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.06 11:40:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:tornado needs a nerf , 840dps ac with 60km falloff easy to hit even frigs ... or just fit arties and do nearly tempest alpha for half the hull price... is this supposed to be a joke? becuse it is not funny,
i bet tempest fleets will be changed into tornado fleets cheaper faster and capstable with mwd on ... so imbalanced
also they will do the job better due to tracking bonus and faster lock and speed Actually there's no reason to fly something else in fleets or gangs. Let's see what's the next they will nerf (more) and witch buff they will add to this one.
Ya no fear. There going to buff Hybirds some more so that means Winmatar weapons will probly get better again. I am also looking forward to the buff to the Naga mybe there will be some kind of other buff for amarr hidden in that one so they can keep up with Winmatar.
O wait I know mybe there going to add a target painting bounce to Tornado next and turn the Naga in to a Hybird ship with no missiles.
At least it sounds like something CCP would do. |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:39:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:it is good to see tornado able to fit 2 large shield extenders besides 800mm t2 ac-s +mwd.... it is so paper...
also love how with guns only fitted have more spare cpu than the nage siege missiles only fitted.... oh and have the best 5/4 medlow slot layout which is much less cpu intensive as the nagas 6/3
btw why tracking comps are so crap compared to tracking enhacers???
it needs cap , +20cpu to fit which is huge , and you have to activate it too , crappy it should give more optimal and tracking
the best part is siege missile l needs a little more pg than 800mm ac to fit on them... wtf.... who the hell calls that balance?
It's the Winmatar flow. So just go with the flow.  |
Rip Minner
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:24:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:So how to balance this ship?
I would remove falloff bonus , changed it to something not weapon related.
And would make it able to use ac-s only , no fitting bonuses for arties. Actually is take off a middle slot or low one (less tank or less dps mods) because it tanks too good and (hp and speed) has the best dmg projection/application of all 4 atm If this means a problem because of same number of slots than other BC's have, it's clearly the guns that are in need of nerf stick, change the dmg/rof/falloff whatever bonus
O ya no CCP would never do that. They have to much time invested in the Trust in Rust moto to cave now.
But realy what are the cons to projectial weapons
1.) 10 sec reload timer?
I cant think of any other drawback. Now if you too can not think of any other drawback to projectails then plz list the drawbacks of the other two weapon systems of Hybirds and Lazers.
So to realy balance a game you realy need to have just as many drawbacks as you do con's for every weapon system at least when there all gunnery weapon systems.
It's like Hybirds=flintlock black powder riffles and Projectials=Mk16's or want ever. Now what armry is going to fight back with flintlock black powder riffles when there enemys are cuting them down with Mk16's. I will tell you what kind of armry a dead armry thats who.
And then rest of the world is going to see that flintlock black powder armry get cut down and though away all there flintlock blackpowder riffles and get them selfs some Mk16's.
Edit: So whats the point of all that bs I just though up there. 1.) Remove all but one draw back on Hybirds and Lazors or 2.) Add drawbacks to projectials and now your starting to balance things. Balancing the Pro's and Con's of all Gunnery weapon systems to have a fair and even mix of Pro's and Con's should be your first step in realy balance this crap. |
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